Sunday, August 2, 2009

Faith Healing vs. Homicide

The father of an 11 year old girl in Wausau was just found guilty Saturday of second-degree reckless homicide in Wisconsin's first faith healing case. Her mother was found guilty of the same crime earlier this spring. The couple could face up to 25 years in prison when sentenced. They are both scheduled to be in court for that determination on October 6.

"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," Neumann testified. "I am not believing what he said he would do."

Seems to me to be quite the lame excuse. If your car has a flat tire or a leaking hose, do you pray to god to repair it or do you trust that a mechanic will "do as he says" and fix it?


Toad said...

It's a VERY sad story for their daughter, and the surviving children.

The parents are not SOON enough going to find out GOD does NOT intervene in the things that happen from day to day. If that were true, NONE of the horrible things that occur EVERY day would happen.

I PRAY the parents receive the entire 25 years in prison they deserve. It's obvious they don't understand, even now.

Huck Finn said...

ummmm, as an atheist... No god intervenes. Things that happen, happen. Gosh we live in the future with science fiction devices and still rattle bones and read tea leaves.

OrbsCorbs said...

This is just sad. There is no reasoning with such people. If you believe that God takes care of everything, then why do anything? Why even feed yourself - God will do it.

If you believe that we are born into sin and that so many souls suffer eternal damnation because of it, wouldn't it be most humane to wipe out the human race entirely and therefore stop the incessant creation of sinful souls to be tortured for eternity?

Sassa said...

I am terribly sorry for the girl. But that is their religon. Every religon has its different ways of doing things. They are the bases of their beliefs, not something dreamed up yesterday. Look at circumcision, sacrificing animals (there was an article in the paper on this lately) but to cause a death of a human is unthinkable. Yet that is their religon. They simply do not believe in outside help..but rely on devine assistance for health. When do we decide what people do or not do as criminal. Those two parents are not the only ones who believe in this. I would hate to be on that jury...rather be the judge. I wonder how other cases like this were resolved.

kkdither said...

While this death was most probably avoidable and my initial reaction is guilty... there are other nuances to this. That is why I posted the story. I have to agree with Sassa a little bit on this.

What about vaccines for children?
One side of the story states they are dangerous and can cause autism. Are the parents not culpable then if their child develops pertussis, measles or diphtheria and dies?

How much do we want the government telling us how to manage our lives and the lives of our children?

We do remove kids from homes where they are not adequately cared for. Do we want to start imprisoning parents for their choices on how to care for their children?

Organized religion is a strange beast. In God we trust... says so on our money. Nice Sunday blog, huh?

Huck Finn said...

kkd I have a wheat straw penny from 1935 and it doesn't say In god we trust. neither does my $2msilver certificate ($2 bill redeemable for $2 in silver) Got to, love old money and the story it tells. The story of tolerance of other religions and beliefs and the true separation of church and state.

Toad said...

Huck: In 1971 my dad died. He was 56 years old, and too young for this to happen. I lost my FAITH at that time, because I couldn't understand WHY God would allow such a thing to happen? To add insult to injury sometime between the time my dad died and a good friend of mine's wedding a car went out of control and ran over and killed two nun's sitting on a bench in a park.

I had to do a confession to participate in this Catholic wedding. I told the priest I was having problems with God. WHY did these things happen? His answer was that God does NOT stop bad things from happening, nor does he stop people from doing bad things. RATHER WE are responsible in the end for how we lived our lives. That didn't really explain WHY my dad died at 56 but, I guess thinking about it again makes me think. If you Smoke, Drink, and Eat anything and everything, perhaps it will take your HUMAN body?

I don't pretend to be a theologion, (probably didn't even spell it correctly? I don't consider myself an atheist but do at times have questions. All of this is MY BELIEF. Each of us has to live with our OWN BELIEFS.

ALSO, to clear up any possible mis-understandings. I too am ashamed at some of the events happening in the CATHOLIC church. I have to believe NOT ALL people are evil.

OrbsCorbs said...

It's a problem when a faith's beliefs contradict the norms of society. I think there's still some of those Christian snake charmers in the south, and wasn't it the Mormons who used to take more than one wife? I believe that more "deviancy" from the norm was tolerated in the old days, if only because women and children had less rights. I also think the founding fathers were very mush mind your own beeswax kind of people. The whole idea of a federation of separate states was to allow for differences.

I really don't know what the answer is in a society which espouses religious freedom. If that "freedom" involves harming the innocent, should society intervene? Why?

What about goat sacrifices?

RWWackoStu said...

Maybe the answer to their prayers was the doctor that would have been waiting at the hospital when they brought her in.